[RFCI-Discuss] RFC-ignorant.org list accuracy and refresh frequency...

[Jean-Marc Pigeon]

Bonjour a Tous...

On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 15:29 +0100, Esa Laitinen wrote:
> On 22.02.2009 10:59, Jean-Marc Pigeon wrote:
> > 	According my logs, the refresh frequency is "ZIP",
> > 	which means the rfc-ignorant.org data-base 
> > 	accuracy is "near null".
> > 	Could somebody knowledgeable tell me if there
> > 	any check frequency, 3 years? more that 3 years?
> >   
> 
> Maybe you didn't check the "General listing policies" given on the 
> rfc-ignorant.org www-site, or missed this (it is right in the beginning 
> of that page):
	I read it...:-}}} (I know a little bit of RFC about
	SMTP, SPF, POP3), trust me about this :-}}}}.

	For your convenience may I "translate" it to you...
	
	---
	"We can prove the site is following RFC by responding OK
	to "postmaster", but there no non-obtrusive way to
	prove there is a process|human taking care of email
	posted to it"
	---
	This is quite true, no complain about this.

	Problem:
	RFC-Ignorant is publishing FALSE information about
	the simple fact "do you accept mail to postmaster
	and abuse", this is done via a very simple test
	and my remark that test is not done in a timely
	fashion to make sure that information is still
	true, making the data-base inaccurate over
	time.
	
	Testing postmaster very existence is simple and 
	was used to say "trouble" in first place, it is
	NOT an obtrusive way and can be done again... no trouble.
	

> According to the above, there is no testing -> your entry will be marked 
> "ok" regardless.
	It is not done yet...and logs report "no probing"
	but if you say no test, then, why the rfc-ignorant.org
	is still reporting wrong information..
	
	
> 
> > 	so then.... lets try
> > 	postmaster at rfc-ignorant.org purpose.
> >   
> 
> 
> Hmm. Why? As you probably know, postmaster is reserved for handling mail 
> problems of that domain. I don't think that the rfc-ignorant.org has 
> problems with it's mail system.
	Well I receive an automatic message saying 
	"we receive the message" but there is no action
	what so ever, may I assume the request email
	is lost somewhere...
	Which I still can say safely as an automatic
	process (an auto response) did not generate
	any reaction at processing level.
	

	On a philosophical level:
	My understanding of the ignorant.org on line documentation
	is their belief -- no "postmaster" prove you have 
	spamming intent --
	:-}}}
	This is showing ingenuity and is not spammer deterrent.

	Lets suppose I am a spammer now, I just do not
	care about ignorant.org, just need to create
	one YACD (Yet another cheap domain), make sure
	postmaster is responding, just ignore all complains
	postmaster account may receive, make sure to
	clean the "postmaster" mailbox to have no trouble
	with local IT, "et voila". 
	so what is the ignorant.org data-base contribution to
	show YACD to be a domain used to do spamming, ZIP!....

	Did I miss something here?
	

	MY guess rfc-ignorant.org try to be professional,
	my remark was simple, "they should make a minimal
	effort to make sure about what their data-base contents
	is over time".

	
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