[RFCI-Discuss] Domains By Proxy

[Derek J. Balling]

On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:38 AM, Administrative Account wrote:
> In section 5 you can see that email *may* be forwarded or just  
> discarded at
> the contract holders request.

You can always attempt to prove that this is happening for any given  
domain.

> First class mail other than legal notices will
> be discarded (i.e. actually sue them and it gets forwarded, ask a  
> question or
> report a technical or administrative problem and it *will* be  
> discarded).

I would argue that this is probably how many sites already handle  
their incoming snailmail.

But it doesn't matter if they forward the mail. They don't have to.

	Q: *Does the snailmail reach the Registrant (DBP)?*
	A: Yes.

They're free to discard and ignore mail at their leisure. No RFC  
mandates *action* for WHOIS contact data, only that the names/ 
addresses/etc., of the registrant be in the WHOIS record. There's not  
even the "recipient appropriate for the service" type verbiage that's  
included in RFC2142 for abuse and postmaster entries.

The phone numbers work. The e-mail addresses reach DBP. The snailmail  
address reaches DBP. Once you get *there*, the requirements of the  
RFC are met, because *they* are the Registrant.

> Again, since telephone calls can not leave or forward messages, it  
> seems that
> the listed telephone number can not be a "proper" method of contact  
> - It can
> not reach a responsible party despite being listed for such a purpose.

I think if we were to use that logic, 3/4 of all domains would be  
listed, because in most cases, they list either the "big  
domainhosting company" that someone has contracted their web site  
hosting out to, or they list an office 2000 miles away from anyone  
who has any real "control".

I'm not convinced that *this* is the minutiae to hoist the RFCI flag on.

> 	A real sticking point, as mentioned in my previous email, is that so
> far *every* anonymous service I have tried to telephone either has  
> a recording
> telling you that you must email or even fill out a web form, or  
> does reach a
> human, but that person gives a similar story.  I think the  
> important issue is
> that even if you "reach a human", if you can't deliver any  
> information (i.e.
> no one will take a message), you have not "communicated" - even if  
> the other
> party has delivered to you the message that you *must* use other  
> (and possibly
> futile) means to attempt any communication (i.e. the data for  
> contact specified
> was *not* actually valid).

I would argue that if they've communicated the message to you that  
they can't take a *message* then you have communicated with them in  
some form. You may not *like* the communication, but no RFC  
guarantees you that you'll like the conversation, only that you'll  
reach the registrant.

Cheers,
D

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