[RFCI-Discuss] Posit: abuse@aol.com

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 27.02 09:34, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> -	$VICTIM is the recipient of between one and two thousand  
> illegitimate messages from AOL.com mail servers, crushing them
> 
> -	After failing to get anyone at AOL's attention, $VICTIM configures  
> their system to generate an e-mail to abuse at aol.com for each  
> individual message of those 1500+ messages
> 
> -	AOL.com, after $VICTIM'S_IP (or maybe e-mail address, don't know),  
> sends "N" messages, views this as an attack and ceases accepting  
> abuse@ messages from this IP/address.
> 
> -	$VICTIM requests (there's no submission yet, so don't bother  
> looking) that we list AOL.COM in the abuse zone
> 
> .... is aol.com rfc-ignorant for the abuse zone?

I don't think so. I (as member of abuse@ address) already got into the
situation (I wonder if that wasn't the same $VICTIM). And while we DO fight
against spam FROM our customers, spamming us doesn't help us but it makes
the fight harder because we have more spam to fight against.

And bouncing spam to us is spam too...

> The yes argument:
> 
> 	Each individual message is relevant to an abusive message. If AOL  
> wants to generate abuse at "X" rate, they need to be prepared to  
> accept complaints about it at "X" rate.
> 
> The no argument:
> 
> 	Rate limiting, for situations like this, is perfectly normal and  
> acceptable. It's impossible, or extremely technically difficult, to  
> differentiate between "the person who is attacking/spamming our abuse  
> address" and "the person who is sending us thousands of extremely  
> similar messages, each one of which is itself a legitimate complaint".
> 
> 
> Discuss amongst yourselves.
> 
> Cheers,
> D
> 



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