[RFCI-Discuss] abuse: fr.colt.net (was Re: RFCI-Discuss Digest, Vol 47, Issue 2)

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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:35:31 +0100
>From: Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de>
>Subject: Re: [RFCI-Discuss] abuse: fr.colt.net
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>* Tim Jackson <lists at timj.co.uk>:
>> Why was this rejected?
>> 
>> http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/detail.php?domain=fr.colt.net&submitted=1155079441&table=abuse
>> 
>> Seems plausible to me. I have had the same response (=bounce) from 
>> fr.colt.net.
>
>abuse at colt.net must work, not abuse at fr.colt.nt, since colt.net is he
>delegated domain
>
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	Is this one really so clear-cut?  It sure looks like the subdomain
fr.colt.net is under different administrative control than the parent colt.net.
Would that not be enough to "qualify" it for "domain" level listings?

	Paul Shupak
	hostmaster at plectere.com

## different host names for the MXs
% host colt.net
colt.net has address 213.86.182.36
colt.net mail is handled by 10 mailin.colt.net.
colt.net mail is handled by 20 relay-1.colt.net.

% host fr.colt.net
fr.colt.net mail is handled by 20 dialup-mx.coltfrance.com.
fr.colt.net mail is handled by 10 mx.coltfrance.com.

% host coltfrance.com
coltfrance.com mail is handled by 10 mx.coltfrance.com.

## email goes to different host IP(s)
% host mx.coltfrance.com
mx.coltfrance.com has address 213.41.78.23
mx.coltfrance.com has address 213.41.78.24

% host mailin.colt.net
mailin.colt.net has address 212.74.77.36

% host relay-1.colt.net
relay-1.colt.net has address 212.74.65.66

## fr.colt.net is a subdomain and has an 'SOA' RR, not merely a host in a domain
% dig fr.colt.net soa @ns0.coltfrance.com +noqu +norec 

; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> fr.colt.net soa @ns0.coltfrance.com +noqu +norec
; (1 server found)
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32780
;; flags: qr aa; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; ANSWER SECTION:
fr.colt.net.		600	IN	SOA	ns0.coltfrance.com. hostmaster.coltfrance.com. 2006112101 21600 3600 604800 600

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
fr.colt.net.		86400	IN	NS	ns0.coltfrance.com.
fr.colt.net.		86400	IN	NS	ns1.coltfrance.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns0.coltfrance.com.	86400	IN	A	195.68.0.11
ns1.coltfrance.com.	86400	IN	A	195.68.0.12

;; Query time: 184 msec
;; SERVER: 195.68.0.11#53(195.68.0.11)
;; WHEN: Fri Dec  8 10:30:56 2006
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 158

## Abusable resources within the subdomain.  Who do you complain too?
% dig www.fr.colt.net a @ns0.coltfrance.com +noqu +norec +noau +noadd

; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> www.fr.colt.net a @ns0.coltfrance.com +noqu +norec +noau +noadd
; (1 server found)
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10697
;; flags: qr aa; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.fr.colt.net.	600	IN	A	195.68.83.113

;; Query time: 184 msec
;; SERVER: 195.68.0.11#53(195.68.0.11)
;; WHEN: Fri Dec  8 10:31:34 2006
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 131